Innovation Domain

[whitesword]

1.  Divine Insight
2.  Fox Cunning
3.
4.  Fabricate
5. 
6.  Wall of Gears
7.
8.
9. Greater Fantastic Machine

When I have notice the domains they typically move spells to a lower level to show that you have such mastery that you can cast these spells at lower level.  I don't think they usually move a spell to a higher slot  or at least I haven't noticed that so I woulnd't move the 6th level spell to a 7th level slot or a 2nd to a 3rd.

Arcane spells are sometimes moved up a level. I found several examples in my work. Cleric spells are frequently moved down a level.

[Windblade]

That makes sense.   I didn't think to check to see if they were arcane.  If they are arcane then dismiss my comments.

[Hero]

I still don't like giving this domain a technology flavor. My original concept that started this whole thing was for a domain geared towards the development of new ideas. I vote no "machine" spells. Or wall of gears.

I'm going to keep posting this opinion until someone acknowledges it.

[whitesword]

I have no objection provided there is something better than Wish and Miracle as options. To me they are the opposite of innovation.

[Asinjin]

I note your comment Hero, but we need something better before we replace them.

[Windblade]

I agree with you too here but as the others said there is nothing better.  Althought I do agree with hero to have limited wish on there.

[Hero]

I think the "wish" spells are the epitome of innovation. The effect is only limited by your creativity, and could be used to solve problems in all sorts of innovative ways.

[Asinjin]

1. Divine Insight
2. Fox Cunning
3.
4. Fabricate
5. Owl's Insight
6. Fantastic Machine
7. Limited Wish
8. Brain Spider (Complete Divine)
9. Greater Fantastic Machine

Thoughts?

[whitesword]

How about the Mechanus Mind you posted in the first list?

[Asinjin]

It okay but weak.  It is a +4 to Will saves, +2 to Int based skills and -2 to Cha based skills for 1 min / level.

[Windblade]

It okay but weak.  It is a +4 to Will saves, +2 to Int based skills and -2 to Cha based skills for 1 min / level.

This doesn't seem like it has anything to do with innovation.

[whitesword]

This doesn't seem like it has anything to do with innovation.

Agreed

[Hero]

Not so sure about Brain Spider and I still don't like the Machine spells. I equate this domain with ingenuity and creativity. My original thought for the 8 ad 9 spots were:

8th: Polymorph Any Object
9th: Time Stop

Because having the ability to create extra time and the ability to turn one thing into anything else you can come up with seem fit for a cleric dedicated to creativity.

 

[Asinjin]

1. Divine Insight
2. Fox Cunning
3.
4. Fabricate
5. Owl's Insight
6. Fantastic Machine
7. Limited Wish
8. Polymorph Any Object
9. Greater Fantastic Machine

Did we have a granted power yet?

[Windblade]

The granted power is somewhere back on the first page or 2.  It is the one that gives skill and some sort  of bonus based on your wisdom to skills.