Leadership Domain

[Asinjin]

So we need two votes from everyone:

Mass Status vs Mass Conviction

and

Demand vs Sympathy

[whitesword]

You may want to post the Mass spells you are proposing as there are multiple versions of each.

[Valdis]

Is Mass Status the same as Greater Status?  If so, then I would chose that over Mass Conviction as long as it is the version that allows you to cast spells through the bond and not just monitor people.

And I would chose Sympathy over Demand

[Malchia]

I prefer Conviction and Sympathy although the material component for Sympathy is really costly.

[whitesword]

I prefer Conviction and Sympathy although the material component for Sympathy is really costly.

I didn't see that, how much is is it?

[Asinjin]

1500gc in pearls and honey.

[Windblade]

I don't like sympathy or demand for the 8th level slot.  I don't think either fit.  I definitely wouldn't go with sympathy because of the spell component cost.  I would do crown of glory.  I know you aren't big on repeats but I really don't think it is a big deal and it is an awesome leadership spell.

[Asinjin]

I agree, with that cost, it is not good for the domain.  Crown of Glory may be the best we can do.

[whitesword]

I agree, with that cost, it is not good for the domain.  Crown of Glory may be the best we can do.

I don't like Crown of Glory because its one of the tent pole Glory spells.  Lets look for a weak 9th level spell or we could move Visage down if there is a strong 9th.  It also only really fits for good clerics.

[whitesword]

I don't have any great ideas but how about Sublime Revelry from BoED.  A neutral and evil version can easily be adapted.  Its a 9th level spell but on the whole I think this domain is a little weak.  Otherwise I think we go back to Transfix, which I don't like at all.

I'll go back to this.

[Malchia]

How about Choose Destiny as the 8th level slot?  It makes a better 8th than 9th level spell and seems to fit with the concept of leadership and making sound decisions. 

Choose Destiny
( Races of Destiny)

Divination
Level: Destiny 9,
Components: V,
Casting Time: 1 swift action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: 1 round/level

You gain a limited ability to discern a successful path for your actions.
For the duration of the spell, any time you make an attack roll, skill check, ability check, or saving throw, you may roll twice and select which die roll to use.

[Windblade]

How about Choose Destiny as the 8th level slot?  It makes a better 8th than 9th level spell and seems to fit with the concept of leadership and making sound decisions. 

Choose Destiny
( Races of Destiny)

Divination
Level: Destiny 9,
Components: V,
Casting Time: 1 swift action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: 1 round/level

You gain a limited ability to discern a successful path for your actions.
For the duration of the spell, any time you make an attack roll, skill check, ability check, or saving throw, you may roll twice and select which die roll to use.

Seems like an ok spell. 

My only concern with the crown of glory was that is said it granted the recipient celestial power but the abilities really have nothing to do with being good aligned.  The power can easily come from somewhere else.  My vote would be for Crown of Glory  still but I am ok with Choose Destiny.

[Asinjin]

We use choose destiny as a 9th level Luck Domain spell, so using here as 8th wouldn't be right.

[Windblade]

We use choose destiny as a 9th level Luck Domain spell, so using here as 8th wouldn't be right.

agreed.

[Asinjin]

Granted Power: The cleric with this domain gains the Leadership feat; however, the cleric cannot take advantage of this feat until he has a minimum of three total class levels.  (ECL does not count for the purpose of those class levels.)  All of the followers gained through this Leadership feat must be faithful members of the cleric's religion or cult.

1 Enthrall
2 Status
3 Regroup
4 Voice of Authority
5 Greater Status (Heroes of Battle)
6 Mass Sanctuary
7 Mass Spell Resistance
8 Need help here
9 Visage of the Deity