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Habololy Concepts => Domain => Topic started by: Asinjin on February 14, 2012, 11:56:33 PM
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For Celetal, The Oldest Orc, and Lakius. Create and discuss.
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Eberron Campaign Setting has a "meditation" domain:
Granted Power: Once per day, you can cast one spell as though it had the Empower Spell feat applied to it. However, you cast the spell at its normal level, not at two levels higher, and use the normal casting time of the spell. You need not know the Empower Spell feat to use this ability.
1 Comprehend Languages
2 Owl’s Wisdom
3 Locate Object
4 Tongues
5 Spell Resistance
6 Find the Path
7 Spell Turning
8 Mind Blank
9 Astral Projection
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Also Mind and Mentalism in Spell Compendium.
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Not quite what I was thinking of, but a good start.
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Not sure what to do with this one. Here' a start:
1. Sanctuary
2. Soul Ward (C.Champ)
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4. Spiritual Advisor (C.Champ)
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6. Karmic Retribution (C.Mage)
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8. Mind Blank
9. Astral Projection
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1. Sanctuary
2. Owl's Wisdom
3. Clarity of Mind (Underdark)
4. Tongues
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6. Karmic Retribution (C.Mage)
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8. Mind Blank
9. Astral Projection
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1. Sanctuary
2. Owl's Wisdom
3. Clarity of Mind (Underdark)
4. Tongues
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6. Karmic Retribution (C.Mage)
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8. Mind Blank
9. Astral Projection
How about these?
5. Advice (Oriental Adventures)
7. Rain of Roses (Book of Exalted Deeds) or Nybor's Stern Reproof (Unapproachable East) or Body Outside Body (Oriental Adventures)
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I think Body Outside Body is good for this one.
Advice might work, but I think that spells that only effect the cleric are best suited for this domain.
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Regarding the domain power, how about the ability to turn hostile creatures like a good cleric turns undead?
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Sounds neat, but I think it might be too powerful.
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Regarding the domain power, how about the ability to turn hostile creatures like a good cleric turns undead?
That is essentially the 10th level Glory domain ability but even more powerful as it doesn't have an alignment restriction.
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1 Sanctuary
2 Owl’s Wisdom
3 Clarity of Mind
4 Tongues
5 Aiming at the Target (CA)
6 Karmic Retribution
7 Body Outside Body (OA)
8 Mind Blank
9 Astral Projection
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The ability to turn any hostile creature seems too powerful to me.
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How about some sort of improved Sanctuary ability? Allowed the cleric to activate a zone of protection around himself for a number of rounds equal to his cleric level. We would then replace the 1st level domain spell.
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Might I suggest something a bit different? How about using a turn attempt to change someone's opinion/mood/aggression level one step closer to your side? For example, someone hostile toward the cleric would need to make a save (probably willpower). The DC could be based on Charisma and cleric levels such as the turning ability is. If that person fails, they would become neutral. Turn attempts could stack, so another successful attempt could turn the person friendly, then another to be completely on your side, etc. Feats could be taken (such as "Extra Turning") that could apply to the ability. Maybe call it "Persuasion" or something like that. Thoughts?
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It is a good idea, and we are using something very similar for the Corruption and Redemption domain powers. One towards good, and the other towards evil.
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I see 2 arguments about a conversation ability to neutral. One is that since we have one for good and evil then why not for neutral. My argument against the introspect domain having is that this is a big domain for the clerics of Laikus and the extremely introspective followers of Laikus care little about converting others to anything. Either is acceptable IMO but I would maybe consider looking to see if this ability fits another domain and not use it for introspect domain.
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The ability isn't intended to alter someone's alignment, just aid in making them see things your way. It's opinion based, not alignment based. When I said "neutral" earlier, I meant the hostile or disagreeable feelings someone may have had towards you lessen to a degree. Each time you would "turn" someone, it would lessen the hostility more or make your arguments more convincing, eventually leading to a full-on change of temperament during that encounter assuming the turn attempts succeed. Eventually the effects would wear off. Plus, this adheres to the DM's wishes of having an ability that focuses on the cleric and not the group.
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I don't like it only because it seems very other focused. I think the power should enhance the cleric internally. Such as a psionic defense or the ability to spend HP or ability points to improve spells.
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1 Sanctuary OR Clear Mind (SP)
2 Owl’s Wisdom
3 Clarity of Mind
4 Tongues
5 Aiming at the Target (CA)
6 Karmic Retribution
7 Body Outside Body (OA)
8 Mind Blank
9 Astral Projection
And we need to decide on a granted power.
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1st level votes and granted power thoughts.
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Sanctuary
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Clear Mind
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More votes please
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clear mind
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Clear Mind
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1 Clear Mind (SP)
2 Owl’s Wisdom
3 Clarity of Mind
4 Tongues
5 Aiming at the Target (CA)
6 Karmic Retribution
7 Body Outside Body (OA)
8 Mind Blank
9 Astral Projection
Granted Power ideas?
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Granted Power thoughts:
- Mind Blank for one round per caster level per day, self only, swift action to activate
- Enhance Int, Wis, or Cha by a number of points equal to your cleric level. May be split up between the three. One turn to activate. Lasts for one round per caster level.
- Use Turn attempt to activate a Sanctuary spell with a DC of 10+ caster level.
- Add Cha and Int modifiers to all saves to resist mental attacks / effects
Thoughts?
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I like both of the last two.
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Any other votes on one of those abilities?
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my vote:
- Add Cha and Int modifiers to all saves to resist mental attacks / effects
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I like the last 2 also but the 3rd ability having a two ability score bonus could get out of hand. I would suggest picking one of the ability scores only and maybe capping it at a +5 or I guess you can pick both ability scores and cap it at a +5. A +5 bonus to all saves is very powerful.
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Nevermind I missread the ability 3. It is fine how it is. I like both the last abilities.
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So its definitely down to the last to abilities:
1 - Use Turn attempt to activate a Sanctuary spell with a DC of 10+ caster level.
2 - Add Cha and Int modifiers to all saves to resist mental attacks / effects
And so far the vote is 1-0 in favor of #2.
More votes please.
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Option 2
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Are they going to stack or do you get the better of the two? The former would be a really big bonus.
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They do stack.
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They do stack.
We probably need to define mental attack in order to get an idea if this save bonus will be too big. I had the same concern Whitesword had about the bonus being too big. I think it will end up being fine because it will be a limited area of attacks but we should define mental attack.
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Compulsions
Charms
Anything that lowers Int, Wis, Cha
Psionic Control
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1 Clear Mind (SP)
2 Owl’s Wisdom
3 Clarity of Mind
4 Tongues
5 Aiming at the Target (CA)
6 Karmic Retribution
7 Body Outside Body (OA)
8 Mind Blank
9 Astral Projection
Granted Power: Add Cha and Int modifiers to all saves to resist mental attacks / effects; which include: Compulsions; Charms; Anything that lowers Int, Wis, Cha; Psionic Control
Locked tomorrow unless any objections.
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Astral Projection is OK, but what are people's thoughts on this for 9th level?
Absorption
(Complete Arcane)
Abjuration
Level: Sorcerer 9, Wizard 9, Wu Jen 9,
Components: V, S,
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: Until expended or 10 min./level
Spells and spell-like effects that target you are absorbed, their energy stored to power spells of your own.
Absorption absorbs only ranged spells that have you as a target. Touch spells, effect spells, and area spells that affect you cannot be absorbed. Once the spell is cast, you can absorb 1d4+6 spell levels (rolled secretly by the DM). The level of each spell you absorb is subtracted from the total. If a spell is only partially absorbed (because its level exceeds the number of levels remaining to be absorbed), divide the number of spell levels left unabsorbed by the original spell level. For spells that deal damage, use the result to determine what fraction of the damage you take. For spells that create effects, use the result as a percentage chance to be affected.
For example, you have three spell levels of absorption remaining and are struck by dominate person (cast as a 5th-level spell). Absorption absorbs three levels of the spell, resulting in a 40% chance (2/5) that you will be affected normally.
If affected, any saving throw the spell allows you still applies. Likewise, if you're struck by disintegrate (cast as a 6th-level spell) with four levels of absorption remaining, two levels of the spell remain, and you take only 33% (2/6) of the damage you would normally take from the spell. You can use captured spell energy to cast any spell you know or have prepared, but spells so cast don't disappear from your list of prepared spells or count against the number of spells you can normally cast per day (so you so must keep a running total of spell levels absorbed and used).
The levels of spell energy you have stored must be equal to or greater than the level of the spell you want to cast, and you must have at hand (and expend) any material components required for the spell.
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Its a fair idea, but I think astral projection fits the feel of the domain better.
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Granted Power: Add Cha and Int modifiers to all saves to resist mental attacks / effects; which include: Compulsions; Charms; Anything that lowers Int, Wis, Cha; Psionic Control
Locked tomorrow unless any objections.
so is this Wis (the normal modifier) plus Int plus Cha? Or is it Int and Cha in place of Wis? I think all three would be really excessive.
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so is this Wis (the normal modifier) plus Int plus Cha? Or is it Int and Cha in place of Wis? I think all three would be really excessive.
Good point. Maybe this should be done a limited amount of times as an immediate action. Maybe once a day in response to a mental attack.
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Granted Power: Once per day, plus once per four clerics levels, the cleric may add his Charisma and Intelligene modifiers to all saves to resist mental attacks / effects; which include: Compulsions; Charms; Anything that lowers Int, Wis, Cha; Psionic Control. This may be activated as a free action. It applies only to one saving throw.
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I like the sanctuary option. Bonuses to saves to resist compulsion/charm effects is already the Liberation domain ability.
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I like the sanctuary option. Bonuses to saves to resist compulsion/charm effects is already the Liberation domain ability.
Very good point
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Whitesword, is that a vote change?
If so, then its 3-2 still in favor of the save bonus.
Zunder, Malchia, and Windblade vs Hero and Whitesword.
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Yes, that's a vote change.
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Valdis, Master Po?
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Sanctuary
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Sanctuary
me too...
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1 Clear Mind (SP)
2 Owl’s Wisdom
3 Clarity of Mind
4 Tongues
5 Aiming at the Target (CA)
6 Karmic Retribution
7 Body Outside Body (OA)
8 Mind Blank
9 Astral Projection
Granted Power: Use a Turn attempt to active a Sanctuary spell with a DC of 10 + caster level.
Locked tomorrow unless anyone has an issue.