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Wizards / Cults of Cold => The Return => Topic started by: Asinjin on February 22, 2013, 01:07:52 AM
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To start xp:
Cloud - for the use of 3 9th level spells in one fight - 3500
Luigi - for mass destruction level sonic balls - 3200
Montaron - for surviving more fingers of death than anyone in history - 3000
Malchia - for an admirable amount of damage without 9th level spells - 3000
Enzo - for charming four giants - 2400
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Note that this xp is based on creatures each character engaged and had some hand in helping defeat.
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I begin my search through the tent I disenchanted and then proceed to search each and every corpse, tent, chest, and object in camp for my lost items and any other items of value.
I make sure to check Quentin's ring in case any of my quest items are nearby.
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My detect magic is still up which is also shared with my familiar so we both search the camp and the giants for magic items.
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I have see invisible up, I add detect magic, and fly over the camp, scanning.
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I make sure to check Quentin's ring in case any of my quest items are nearby.
It does not indicate that any are near.
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My detect magic is still up which is also shared with my familiar so we both search the camp and the giants for magic items.
The spell leaves your familiar if you move more than 5 feet from it, so it is not that helpful in searching.
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I have see invisible up
There is nothing invisible, other than some of your friends.
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The scene is as follows:
Near the center of the camp is the massive crater of snow with crushed and burnt giant bodies within it. Surrounding that are the 18 tents, including Bereth's.
None of the living giants were killed. The 4 charmed ones are still here, milling about. The remaining 16 fled. Most did so immediately at Bereth's death as you were destroying the undead and the Canoloths. The ones that fled went mostly north (3 went south). They are about a minute away when you kill the last undead and loth.
The loths were summoned in some manner, as they vanish when they are killed in a fashion similar to a summoned creature. They were under the snow in wait.
The only magic detected within the circle of destruction are two among Bereth's remains; the staff and a ring. Nothing else on him remains identifiable. If he did have other items, they were disjunctioned and the obliterated. The ring is a strong Abjuration.
Your detection reveals no other active spells in the area.
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I also have a continuous Detect Magic up. First stop is Bereth's tent. After that, I'll move on to the others. What do I find in there?
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The tent is similar to how you remember it, with the exception of two chosen who begin to walk towards you as soon as you enter, they are clearly undead, as even chosen should be that coated in ice.
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I have see invisible up, I add detect magic, and fly over the camp, scanning.
The detection does not penetrate the tents, you will have to look inside them.
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The tent is similar to how you remember it, with the exception of two chosen who begin to walk towards you as soon as you enter, they are clearly undead, as even chosen should be that coated in ice.
If I'm able to move, I'll back out of the tent and call out to the group for backup. If not, I guess I'll roll initiative.
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They do not move that fast, nor do they appear to follow you out. As soon as you get outside, at a minimum, Daane rushes over.
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They do not move that fast, nor do they appear to follow you out. As soon as you get outside, at a minimum, Daane rushes over.
"Daane, there's a couple undead Chosen in there that we need to dispatch. Are you still buffered for combat?"
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"I am, but I think we should get Montaron over here. Those last ones cast some terrible death spells, I don't want any part of that. If they aren't coming out, we can wait for Montaron."
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"I am, but I think we should get Montaron over here. Those last ones cast some terrible death spells, I don't want any part of that. If they aren't coming out, we can wait for Montaron."
"Agreed. I'll get Nefario and fly over to where Montaron is. He can hitch a ride with us and then we'll address this issue."
Once I'm back on Nefario, we fly over to him and I'll fill him in on the situation. He should still have his Death Ward up at this point.
"Montaron, come quick. Daane and I encountered some undead Chosen in Bereth's tent. We need your Divine magic to take them out. Hop on Nefario and I'll fly you over to the tent."
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"Agreed. I'll get Nefario and fly over to where Montaron is. He can hitch a ride with us and then we'll address this issue."
Once I'm back on Nefario, we fly over to him and I'll fill him in on the situation. He should still have his Death Ward up at this point.
"Montaron, come quick. Daane and I encountered some undead Chosen in Bereth's tent. We need your Divine magic to take them out. Hop on Nefario and I'll fly you over to the tent."
I still have my overland flight spell up. I think I'll just fly myself over. Lead the way.
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I still have my overland flight spell up. I think I'll just fly myself over. Lead the way.
I fly back to the tent with Montaron.
"Daane, I brought reinforcements. Let's do this."
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"Monty, can you give an idea of what is inside, and then just destroy it?"
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I'm pretty sure those are new... Plus the caniloth. My Nipit sense is tingling. Something tells me there is a caster about, either that or he had contingencies. I don't like this.
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"Monty, can you give an idea of what is inside, and then just destroy it?"
I'll cast Divine Power, then step inside the tent. Then I'll see how they react.
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They both finger of death you. It has no effect. Your turn.
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They both finger of death you. It has no effect. Your turn.
I'll start pounding on one of them.
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Enlarged Daane moves in and attacks the other one. Your attacks are smashing and each of you nearly destroy each of them, but they are still standing. Malchia?
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Wow you guys did a lot while I was working. Cloud was also planning to check out the Tent so he is over in the general area and can provide spell support also.
To clarify the only magic items in the whole entire camp are the ring and then the staff? Do any of the charmed giants have magic items. I send my familiar to follow the giants that fled to see how far they flee and if they warn anybody else.
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To clarify the only magic items in the whole entire camp are the ring and then the staff? Do any of the charmed giants have magic items.
The only magic items within the circle of destruction were those two.
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Do any of the charmed giants have magic items.
Yes, one of them has a potion in a waterskin.
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I send my familiar to follow the giants that fled to see how far they flee and if they warn anybody else.
Do you send it after the ones that fled north or south. More fled north.
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Luigi glances at battle.. seeing it well in hand.. He flies to the closest tent to the center. I land in front, (with detect magic, and see invisible) makes a spot check, (6 -ranomd.org) and walk inside (if it's clear) and make a search check. (15)
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Enlarged Daane moves in and attacks the other one. Your attacks are smashing and each of you nearly destroy each of them, but they are still standing. Malchia?
Malchia steps in and sends a quickened orb of force (10d6) at one of the Chosen, then an empowered Orb of Force (15d6) at the other.
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Luigi glances at battle.. seeing it well in hand.. He flies to the closest tent to the center. I land in front, (with detect magic, and see invisible) makes a spot check, (6 -ranomd.org) and walk inside (if it's clear) and make a search check. (15)
The tent is the living space for one or two giants. Nothing hidden. Food, clothing, nothing magic in this one.
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The tent is the living space for one or two giants. Nothing hidden. Food, clothing, nothing magic in this one.
I continue the same pattern.. rotating counter-clockwise spiraling outward.
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The tents have little of value. The goods you find are of decent enough quality, but giant sized mundane items.
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Malchia steps in and sends a quickened orb of force (10d6) at one of the Chosen, then an empowered Orb of Force (15d6) at the other.
Having been damaged badly by Daane and Montaron, they are now obliterated by the orbs of force.
The tent on the inside looks similar to what Malchia remembers from last time. The chest is in the same place and looks repaired. Note that it has been four months since you were here.
There is magic emanating from the chest, but no other magic in the tent.
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Having been damaged badly by Daane and Montaron, they are now obliterated by the orbs of force.
The tent on the inside looks similar to what Malchia remembers from last time. The chest is in the same place and looks repaired. Note that it has been four months since you were here.
There is magic emanating from the chest, but no other magic in the tent.
Is it...overwhelmingly evil magic?
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You don't have detect evil up, but rather detect magic, so no level of evil able to be detected. That said, it is moderate conjuration magic.
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Before it gets asked, the potion on the charmed giant is moderate conjuration.
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Do you send it after the ones that fled north or south. More fled north.
How far do you let it go in pursuit?
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I would offer xp for a recap but . . .
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The 4 charmed ones are still here, milling about.
I'll speak with the charmed giants to see what they know.
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I'll speak with the charmed giants to see what they know.
They are happy to have killed the loths. The undead are one thing, but creatures of the planes are another. They want to go to the mountains, they have had enough of this. Domen failed to deliver what it promised and now his prophet is destroyed.
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Having been damaged badly by Daane and Montaron, they are now obliterated by the orbs of force.
The tent on the inside looks similar to what Malchia remembers from last time. The chest is in the same place and looks repaired. Note that it has been four months since you were here.
There is magic emanating from the chest, but no other magic in the tent.
I cast dispel magic on the chest. DM, please roll for me. I'm away from my dice.
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Roll of 8, not enough to remove the magic.
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Roll of 8, not enough to remove the magic.
I cast it again.
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Roll of 10, seems to do the trick.
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Roll of 10, seems to do the trick.
Excellent! I open the chest.
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I would offer xp for a recap but . . .
Best to wait until they have made it back to you to recount the story.
Russell in currently unstuck in time.
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You open the chest, Daane and Montaron are in the room with you to see as well, and see much of the same that you saw last time and didn't take.
The large painting of a frozen landscape (overwhelming conjuration);
A a crystal ball (moderate divination);
Four large ice jars with fluid in them (moderate necromancy x2, moderate transmutation, moderate abjuration);
There are four bars of platinum, the same size ass the ones you took before (non-magical).
I assume you cast detect magic and the types and powers are listed above.
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Since Cloud is still Superior Invisible in case there i another fight. You hear a voice right next to you say the crystal ball and the painting seem very interesting. We should get this stuff back to the tower and further examine it and then split it up among as all. So after we are done taking everything useful from the camp. We can teleport back to the tower. I don't bother having my familiar follow anyone.
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You open the chest, Daane and Montaron are in the room with you to see as well, and see much of the same that you saw last time and didn't take.
The large painting of a frozen landscape (overwhelming conjuration);
A a crystal ball (moderate divination);
Four large ice jars with fluid in them (moderate necromancy x2, moderate transmutation, moderate abjuration);
There are four bars of platinum, the same size ass the ones you took before (non-magical).
I assume you cast detect magic and the types and powers are listed above.
This time, we take it all if possible.
"Gentlemen, we have some heavy lifting to tend to. Let's get this stuff back to the tower."
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Daane says, "Wondrous Smofarf's Beard that's a lot of platinum.! Who's got the bag of holding and who is strong enough to lift it?"
I await who takes what out of the chest.
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Once we are ready to leave for sure then I will use my last limited wish to shrink the platinum until we arrive back at the tower.
OOC: I am sure there is an arcane spell of 6th level or lower that reduces the size of an item for a short period of time.
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Luigi is outside for a while still investigating all of the other tents.
Enzo remains outside with his giants.
The four other are inside Bereth's tent.
Is there anything else anyone wants to accomplish before you deiced how to transport that stuff, or what to do with it in general?
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Luigi is outside for a while still investigating all of the other tents.
Enzo remains outside with his giants.
The four other are inside Bereth's tent.
Is there anything else anyone wants to accomplish before you deiced how to transport that stuff, or what to do with it in general?
Can't we get Enzo's charmed giants to carry everything for us? I'm sure they'd be happy to help.
"Montaron, would you be able to speak with the dead? I'd like you to ask Bereth what his next move was and also where my stuff was taken after I was imprisoned. In particular Quentin's items, but I also want my rods and other magic items back."
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Can't we get Enzo's charmed giants to carry everything for us? I'm sure they'd be happy to help.
They could move the items, but they can't teleport back with you while holding them.
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They could move the items, but they can't teleport back with you while holding them.
Why couldn't they? I thought creatures were able teleport while carrying up to their maximum load. We could have them strip off all their armor and weapons so they only have the items in the chest. I realize one person couldn't teleport them all at once, but we could all pool our resources to get them all.
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It is not the amount they are carrying but their size. Each ones counts as 2 medium creatures. So, between all of you and the giants, that's 15 medium sized creatures. You could do it if you have enough teleports.
In addition, I don't think the college will be happy about giants arriving, nor do I think the giants would be happy about going.
All that said, it could be done if that's how you want to go about doing it.
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It is not the amount they are carrying but their size. Each ones counts as 2 medium creatures. So, between all of you and the giants, that's 15 medium sized creatures. You could do it if you have enough teleports.
In addition, I don't think the college will be happy about giants arriving, nor do I think the giants would be happy about going.
All that said, it could be done if that's how you want to go about doing it.
Well, I'll wait and see what the group would like to do, but I suggest we use the giants and teleport. I have enough teleports left to take two giants back without Nefario, teleport back, then take Nefario and one more giant back to the college. That leaves only one more for the rest of the group to deal with.
As far as the giants go, they'll be charmed for two weeks according to Enzo, so we shouldn't have to worry about them causing problems. Once back at the college, the wizards can go memorize more teleports and take the giants off campus after they unload the loot from the camp. We can then begin analyzing everything.
Hopefully Montaron can speak with the dead so we can question Bereth. Once all that is complete, I think we'll be in good shape. What does everyone else think of this plan?
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Keep in mind that the giants are charmed, not dominated. The threshold for what they will do is lower. Enzo will have to ask them before he does it to try and figure out if they are okay with that.
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Keep in mind that the giants are charmed, not dominated. The threshold for what they will do is lower. Enzo will have to ask them before he does it to try and figure out if they are okay with that.
True, but I'm hoping if he asks nicely enough to simply drop the stuff off at the front door and then we offer to teleport them somewhere safe, that they'll agree.
Time to roll high Enzo. :D
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OOC: I am sure there is an arcane spell of 6th level or lower that reduces the size of an item for a short period of time.
Shrink Item: (3rd lvl) reduce an item to 1/16 of its normal size in each dimension (to about 1/4,000 the original volume and mass).
Owen has the spell. If someone wants to teleport back and get him, I'm sure Owen will cast it for you.
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There is no way we can bring the giants back to college because they will not allow it. Also I don't understand the reason for bringing the giants back to the college. We are able to get all the magic items back with out a problem. We can shrink some of them and we can carry others. Is there another reason you wanted to bring the giants back? If worse comes to worse then Montaron, Luigi or myself can summon creatures to carry them and then teleport back to the tower.
OOC: So if that is all the items we found then we should just teleport back now with everything and then we can start working on interrogating the dead giant and finding out more about the staff and also speak to the cleric of Falan that talked to Enzo earlier.
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Each bar weighs 250 lbs (assuming they are identical to the last ones), so you need people that can carry that to teleport them.
You also have to decide what to do with the large waterskin potions, the picture, and the crystal ball in the chest.
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When we get back I am going to copy shrink item into my spell book. Can we summon creatures to carry and then teleport back? Luigi and I each have a Greater teleport to get us all back. I have one limited wish now to lighten the load for and I belief Luigi has one left also. If not we just wait an hour and between Luigi and I we can memorize enough limited wishes to shrink everything.
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Also if Luigi has a summon 8 or 9 then he can summon an earth elemental to carry most of it for us. Along with the limited wishes we already have to shrink the items that should be enough to carry it.
If not I can summon a water elemental that would get messy though. Unfortunately, I can't summon earth.
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Between all those teleports, you clearly have the means to go back and forth. The questions are: do you have to wait for an hour to memorize extra? Who or what do you teleport back with you (giants or elementals?)
There are also questions of who, if anyone, picks up the picture and crystal ball? Last time, they used the blanket (no longer here) to wrap and move the items.
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I need a corpse to be able to speak with dead. Last I remembered, Cloud and Luigi's powerful magic didn't leave so much as a stain of him. I also feel like he would be too powerful for me to try if I did have a body.
I should be able to hold 250 pounds...At least long enough to be teleported, with the help of some spells.
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Daane says, "Wondrous Smofarf's Beard that's a lot of platinum.! Who's got the bag of holding and who is strong enough to lift it?"
I await who takes what out of the chest.
I use a limited wish to cast Mass Teleport. I send the items back to the tower. I remain here, and investigate the last view tents.
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Mass teleport is 7th level, limited wish can only duplicate 6th level and below.
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I need a corpse to be able to speak with dead. Last I remembered, Cloud and Luigi's powerful magic didn't leave so much as a stain of him. I also feel like he would be too powerful for me to try if I did have a body.
You are correct, the 390 point sonic ball combined with the other spells left little remains, definitely not enough to speak with as per the requirements of the spell.
Also note, that the speak with dead spell will not work with creatures that were just undead.
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Mass teleport is 7th level, limited wish can only duplicate 6th level and below.
Where is the 8th level.. almost wish..:P
Grumble... I use my Wish slot to cast Mass Teleport... sending everything back to the tower.
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So at this point, everyone except Enzo is in the large tent discussing this. Luigi steps forward and says what he is going to do. Unless anyone has any objections, he can touch the chest and send it all back to the tower.
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at the same time I cast greater teleport.
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Greater Teleport to take: You, Luigi, Daane, Enzo, and Montaron?
Malchia and Nefario to teleport seperately?
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Is there another reason you wanted to bring the giants back?
Nope. I simply posted that suggestion before I knew we had someone capable of casting shrink item. Also, I didn't anticipate Luigi using his wish to create a mass teleport for the items. That's very convenient.
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Greater Teleport to take: You, Luigi, Daane, Enzo, and Montaron?
Malchia and Nefario to teleport seperately?
Yes, I can teleport us separately. I can also take 3 more medium sized people with me if need be.
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Enzo, Montaron, and objections or anything further you want to do before transporting home using the above plan?
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That sounds good if it is OK with Malchia. I tell him to teleport just outside of Mesade and then after I arrive I will use the circle to meet him there to make sure the guards don't give him any trouble.
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That sounds good if it is OK with Malchia. I tell him to teleport just outside of Mesade and then after I arrive I will use the circle to meet him there to make sure the guards don't give him any trouble.
Yeah, that works for me.
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Alternatively, I could carry that weight the same way I did last time.
But if you guys want to expend your phenomenal cosmic power for such a menial task then so be it.
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We can just do the spells since we are leaving right now and everyone at the same time. However, I was going to ask you if you could carry it.
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We can just do the spells since we are leaving right now and everyone at the same time. However, I was going to ask you if you could carry it.
He can carry the stuff... I don't need to wish this stuff away...
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Okay then, who carries what? Enzo is going to get the platinum blocks. That leaves four waterskins potions, a crustal ball, and the picture. The picture is about 4 x 3 feet.
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Or, Enzo can carry the chest and everything in it if he can get to a 29 Str.
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Enzo, Montaron, and objections or anything further you want to do before transporting home using the above plan?
No objections, but let's just get moving. No sense in trifling over who is carrying what if we have the spells to do it for us.
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Ok, Enzo can carry it, so you set the plan into motion.
Cloud using one teleport and Malchia the other to get everyone. Cloud takes himself, Enzo (2), Montaron, Luigi, and his bird. Malchia takes Nefario and Daane.
Two flashes later, one group is at the tower and the other is right outside the college. Daane begins to walk in, Malchia flies. It is afternoon here.
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At the tower, Enzo lowers the box and you all immediately see that the picture is not in there.
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Shortly after you appear, Russell arrives at the teleportation circle. He has been 'now' for about five minutes.
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At the tower, Enzo lowers the box and you all immediately see that the picture is not in there.
"So.. the picture didn't make it. I'll be right back. Well maybe"
I grab the crystal ball, and use the teleportation circle to go back to the camp, and check if the picture is there.
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You arrive back inside the tent, the picture is on the ground.
Do you mean the crystal ball from the chest? You take it out of the chest and teleport back with it?
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Leave the crystal ball here. The picture might not teleport because is might be a dimensionally locked portal.
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You arrive back inside the tent, the picture is on the ground.
Do you mean the crystal ball from the chest? You take it out of the chest and teleport back with it?
I took the crystal ball only to scry it, if it wasn't here. I put that away in the bag of holding.
I use limited wish to cast Analyze Dweomer on the picture, relaying that fact to cloud at the tower using my "Word Warpers"
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The spell reveals that the painting is a portal to the world of Cald. It is a powerful conjuration item. It cannot be moved via any spell that is not a gate-type one. No dimension door, teleport, etc. It cannot enter an extra-dimensional space.
It can only be activated by a cleric of a deity of Cald. It can transport 50 creatures.
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The spell reveals that the painting is a portal to the world of Cald. It is a powerful conjuration item. It cannot be moved via any spell that is not a gate-type one. No dimension door, teleport, etc. It cannot enter an extra-dimensional space.
It can only be activated by a cleric of a deity of Cald. It can transport 50 creatures.
I relay that information over the Word Warpers
" I don't think we should leave it out here... These characters for Cald are bad news. I'd like to stop their growth here. However every portal has another side, and I don't need this puppy being opened while it resides in the tower, and 50 polar bears interrupting my dinner. What do you think? I could package this in something non-scryable and ship it home from Port Springs. I could also destroy it with a disjuction. Russel, Cloud what do you think?"
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We make a gate to the elemental plain of fire and throw it in there but first put an illusion on it that shows it is going to the same place as before and then also alter it so they can't walk back through the portal. What does everyone think?
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We make a gate to the elemental plain of fire and throw it in there but first put an illusion on it that shows it is going to the same place as before and then also alter it so they can't walk back through the portal. What does everyone think?
That sounds like the kind of trickery worthy of our future thieves guild...
On a serious note, I say we destroy this portal. Disjunction it at your earliest convenience.
I ask the Wizards Three "Does anyone at the college know anything about Cald?"
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Malchia is not able to speak to them. He teleported outside the college and it will take a few minutes to make it to the tower.
If Luigi does not act immediately, they can fill you in and you can suggest.
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Malchia is not able to speak to them. He teleported outside the college and it will take a few minutes to make it to the tower.
If Luigi does not act immediately, they can fill you in and you can suggest.
Right, sorry about that...OK, I will suggest this as soon as I find out what happens. Do I need to do anything to get to the tower or Nefario and I simply fly up to the helipad?
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No, just fly over. ETA 8 rounds.
Note that if you thought there was an emergency, you could get there faster, but since you assume everything has gone to plan. You saw a teleport flash in the distance when you appeared, you wouldn't move overly fast to get there.
If something happens and they call you, you could get there faster.
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No, just fly over. ETA 8 rounds.
Note that if you thought there was an emergency, you could get there faster, but since you assume everything has gone to plan. You saw a teleport flash in the distance when you appeared, you wouldn't move overly fast to get there.
If something happens and they call you, you could get there faster.
Fair enough. 8 rounds it is.
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I send my giant friends on their way before we leave. "I suggest you find a cause you can stand behind. Go south to Lord Roflander, he is a noble leader and will honor to the frost giants and peace to this realm."
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They nod a leave.
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I don't act immediately...
I walk out of scry range of the picture, and check to see if I"m being scryed. then say "What do you think we hire a ship to ship this to icefea. We 'stow away' on the ship and lay in wait for them to come and try to get it. These can't be easy to make, and I'm sure they'll be able to find it pretty easily, once they realize we have it. I don't wanna hang out here all day though, we need to figure this out quickly"
note: I'm still invisible.
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You do not feel you are being scryed.
This camp is thousands of miles from any port. You are 800 miles north of the northern edge of the String Mountains.
As Luigi waits and you all discuss, Malchia arrives at the tower and is filled in on what happened. It has been a minute since Luigi left.
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You do not feel you are being scryed.
This camp is thousands of miles from any port. You are 800 miles north of the northern edge of the String Mountains.
As Luigi waits and you all discuss, Malchia arrives at the tower and is filled in on what happened. It has been a minute since Luigi left.
I make my previous stated suggestion to everyone in the tower. This portal should be destroyed immediately. I'm sure destroying such an item will get the attention of whoever created it. Once we pull them out of the woodwork, we'll have a better idea of who and what we're dealing with.
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I make my previous stated suggestion to everyone in the tower. This portal should be destroyed immediately. I'm sure destroying such an item will get the attention of whoever created it. Once we pull them out of the woodwork, we'll have a better idea of who and what we're dealing with.
I don't have a disjunction prepared. I have a wish ready, and a Prismatic Sphere. Disjunction being 9th level isn't a candidate.
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Russel, who looks very annoyed when you return and mutters something about time lords under his breath, says in response to Luigi's information: "I would disjunction it if you can and if not I like the idea of casting it through a Gate to the plane of fire. The illusion part seems a little unnecessary. If you want to wait a bit I can come to you through the circle and use the painting to scry the camp during the time since Malchia escaped. Otherwise we should destroy it as soon as possible."
Did the analyze indicate if the portal works both ways?
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It is a two way portal, which lets you believe there is at least one other painting.
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It is a two way portal, which lets you believe there is at least one other painting.
Just to be clear, what I meant was can you use this one to go to Cald?
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Russel, who looks very annoyed when you return and mutters something about time lords under his breath, says in response to Luigi's information: "I would disjunction it if you can and if not I like the idea of casting it through a Gate to the plane of fire. The illusion part seems a little unnecessary. If you want to wait a bit I can come to you through the circle and use the painting to scry the camp during the time since Malchia escaped. Otherwise we should destroy it as soon as possible."
Did the analyze indicate if the portal works both ways?
"I'll wait, i'd rather have more information then less. Get here as soon as you can"
When I get home i'll figure out what spells I cast in the area to protect the area.
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Just to be clear, what I meant was can you use this one to go to Cald?
Yes you can.
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So Russell is going to teleport to Luigi using the circle, then use the painting to do a time scrye of what happened?
Does anyone go with Russell?
Daane is still walking through the campus.
Everyone keep careful track of your spells used so far for the day.
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So Russell is going to teleport to Luigi using the circle, then use the painting to do a time scrye of what happened?
Does anyone go with Russell?
Daane is still walking through the campus.
Everyone keep careful track of your spells used so far for the day.
" This might be an weird idea, but I'm thinking we give this to the Big White Item Collecting Slaad (never say the name) if we can't destroy it. Propose an exchange for an item, floating the idea that he can use it to scavenge items from Cald. Or try to make it work, and go there.. I for one would like to go to another planet, you know.. might be fun. I know I know we could spell Jam there, but this would be quicker. We could secure it in an anti-magic room we have in the tower"
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" This might be an weird idea, but I'm thinking we give this to the Big White Item Collecting Slaad (never say the name) if we can't destroy it. Propose an exchange for an item, floating the idea that he can use it to scavenge items from Cald. Or try to make it work, and go there.. I for one would like to go to another planet, you know.. might be fun. I know I know we could spell Jam there, but this would be quicker. We could secure it in an anti-magic room we have in the tower"
Interesting proposal. Perhaps I could get my earrings that way.
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I don't like the idea of increase the collector's power. Russell can you Legend and Lore it to find out if it is an artificat before we try to disjunction it?
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The Analyze Dweomer spell would likely not have worked if it was an artifact or relic.
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Knowledge (arcana)+26: Is there a simple way to destroy it. For example, could I take a magically enchanted sword and cut the canvas or take a hammer and break the frame. I am just looking for the easiest way to destroy it.
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It is potently magical, so no normal magical weapon would do the trick. Perhaps a Sharpness of Vorpal admantium blade or ax could do it. Since it travels to Cald, sending it to the Plane of Fire might destroy it. Disjunction can work, but given the power of the item, its saves are likely high.
There is no easy way to destroy it, but that is in line with a magic item crafted by a caster of 17+ level using a 9th level spell (Gate).
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Do I think throwing into a volcano on Habololy will do the trick? If not lets through it into a pit of lava on the elemental plain of fire. So Russell should be able to open up a gate to either of those places.
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Volcano on Habololy might do it.
Russel cannot Gate.
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I find one of the powerful spellcasters in the college to help us since we are out of spells. I am sure there is somebody that will help because I know they do not want a gate to Cald open that is bringing cult followers to Habololy for any longer then necessary.
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Do you run around calling out an emergency, or do you start walking looking for one of the 'powerful' spellcasters. Keeping in mind that the college is down a few of its most potent members right now.
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I go looking for the most powerful members. I start first by looking for someone who might have a gate.
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Okay, your best guess is to find Dean Haskra and see if he does, and if not he should know who does.
In the mean time, does Russell Teleport to Luigi? Does Luigi do anything while he waits?
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So Russell is going to teleport to Luigi using the circle, then use the painting to do a time scrye of what happened?
Does anyone go with Russell?
Daane is still walking through the campus.
Everyone keep careful track of your spells used so far for the day.
I'll go with Russel.
And I'd go to Cald too if that's a serious option. Think of all the alien fauna!
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I'll go with Russel and Enzo too if they want.
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HOw about a Black Blade of disaster.
Or like i said, we could store it in the anti magic room in the tower.
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Do I think throwing into a volcano on Habololy will do the trick? If not lets through it into a pit of lava on the elemental plain of fire. So Russell should be able to open up a gate to either of those places.
Sadly I can't Gate but I think it should be destroyed immediately. I will try to Disjunction it and if that fails I contact Dean Haskra.
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Sadly I can't Gate but I think it should be destroyed immediately. I will try to Disjunction it and if that fails I contact Dean Haskra.
You guys are really bent on destroying this? I think we are missing an amazing opportunity. If we destroy it, they'll probably just make another. We have something that they want, and probably badly, We shouldn't just give up a position of power like that. With the people arrayed here we should be able to prevent them from getting it. We should lay a trap for once we could fight them on our terms. What do you thing, living on the wild side (with contingencies). I mean the long term goal would be destruction, but make them come to us!
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You guys are really bent on destroying this? I think we are missing an amazing opportunity. If we destroy it, they'll probably just make another. We have something that they want, and probably badly, We shouldn't just give up a position of power like that. With the people arrayed here we should be able to prevent them from getting it. We should lay a trap for once we could fight them on our terms. What do you thing, living on the wild side (with contingencies). I mean the long term goal would be destruction, but make them come to us!
Definitely interesting thought. It is worth considering keeping.
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Definitely interesting thought. It is worth considering keeping.
Luigi happily looks at Russel... waiting....
"Come one, get the time lord outta your ass. Either way, if you wanna think that long, we should start flying it back to Port Springs. Though, i'm sure there is some protocol for bringing items attached to gets into the city. Can someone message there and ask?"
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So at this point, Enzo and Malchia have teleported with Russell back to the camp. I assume Nefario has gone too, but correct me if he has not. I also assume that Cloud and Montaron are still at the tower, once again, correct me if I am wrong.
My assumptions are based on that fact that you don't want to run the risk of not being able to teleport back everyone with one spell.
Regardless of the destruction or not of the painting, does Russell cast his time scrye once there?
For purposes of spells, it has been ten minutes since the fight ended.
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You guys are really bent on destroying this? I think we are missing an amazing opportunity. If we destroy it, they'll probably just make another. We have something that they want, and probably badly, We shouldn't just give up a position of power like that. With the people arrayed here we should be able to prevent them from getting it. We should lay a trap for once we could fight them on our terms. What do you thing, living on the wild side (with contingencies). I mean the long term goal would be destruction, but make them come to us!
I like this idea. I think bartering it with the collector isn't a bad idea at all.
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So at this point, Enzo and Malchia have teleported with Russell back to the camp. I assume Nefario has gone too, but correct me if he has not. I also assume that Cloud and Montaron are still at the tower, once again, correct me if I am wrong.
My assumptions are based on that fact that you don't want to run the risk of not being able to teleport back everyone with one spell.
Regardless of the destruction or not of the painting, does Russell cast his time scrye once there?
For purposes of spells, it has been ten minutes since the fight ended.
I stay at the tower unless you have a specific reason for me to teleport back. If you have enough room to take me and teleport me back in 1 spell and want me to go then I will.
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So at this point, Enzo and Malchia have teleported with Russell back to the camp. I assume Nefario has gone too, but correct me if he has not. I also assume that Cloud and Montaron are still at the tower, once again, correct me if I am wrong.
My assumptions are based on that fact that you don't want to run the risk of not being able to teleport back everyone with one spell.
Regardless of the destruction or not of the painting, does Russell cast his time scrye once there?
For purposes of spells, it has been ten minutes since the fight ended.
No, now that I know it can be used to send beings to Cald my only interest is destroying it as quickly as possible. If I fail and the Dean cannot help I contact Maglore.
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So Russel does does not teleport himself or anyone there. Cloud goes to find Haskra. Luigi waits with the painting.
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I am willing to discuss keeping it so I don't get Haskra right away. However, I think it is a terrible idea to give to the collector.
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So Russel does does not teleport himself or anyone there. Cloud goes to find Haskra. Luigi waits with the painting.
I do go to Luigi after I prepare a disjunction. If it doesn't work I follow the previously described steps.
I can use a Limited Wish to cast spells from my banned schools correct?
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You can use limited wish to cast spells from a barred school, however the allowed level is one lower. So Limited Wish gets you 5th level and below arcane from a barred school.
Okay, so Russell, Malchia, Nefario, and Enzo appear next to Luigi. Russell carries the picture out to the middle of a field and casts Disjunction on it?
I will give everyone a chance to chime in on this plan, although Cloud and Montaron are back at the tower.
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We have the shell phone.
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You can use limited wish to cast spells from a barred school, however the allowed level is one lower. So Limited Wish gets you 5th level and below arcane from a barred school.
Okay, so Russell, Malchia, Nefario, and Enzo appear next to Luigi. Russell carries the picture out to the middle of a field and casts Disjunction on it?
I will give everyone a chance to chime in on this plan, although Cloud and Montaron are back at the tower.
I use Telekenisis from my staff to move the painting if it must be moved. I do not touch it at any time.
I have a limited wish memorized as well.
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Let's discuss this before anything happens. Luigi is there so I guess he has to make the move instead of me and discuss on the shell phone. I tell Luigi that Russell is on his way and wants to destroy the painting.
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Also how did Russell teleport there already. I haven't described the place to him yet.
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Also how did Russell teleport there already. I haven't described the place to him yet.
I use the circle to get there and you previously described it to me in detail from the recon.
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You are correct, Luigi is there with the painting when Russell arrives, so Russell can't do anything without Luigi allowing it to happen.
So currently, Luigi, Russel, Enzo, and Malchia are in the tent. Russel is looking to execute his plan. Cloud is at the tower communicating with them. Montaron is with Cloud.
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I use the circle to get there and you previously described it to me in detail from the recon.
Windblade is partially correct, you teleport to the camp, not into the tent because that has not been described.
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I stay at the tower unless you have a specific reason for me to teleport back. If you have enough room to take me and teleport me back in 1 spell and want me to go then I will.
I'm a little late to this conversation, but if Montaron wishes to step through the teleportation circle with me, I can get him back without using extra spells. I can take 3 extra people with me using Greater Teleport. It's up to Montaron of course, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a healer with us if things go south.
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So at this point, Enzo and Malchia have teleported with Russell back to the camp. I assume Nefario has gone too, but correct me if he has not. I also assume that Cloud and Montaron are still at the tower, once again, correct me if I am wrong.
My assumptions are based on that fact that you don't want to run the risk of not being able to teleport back everyone with one spell.
Regardless of the destruction or not of the painting, does Russell cast his time scrye once there?
For purposes of spells, it has been ten minutes since the fight ended.
Yes, Nefario is with me.
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You can use limited wish to cast spells from a barred school, however the allowed level is one lower. So Limited Wish gets you 5th level and below arcane from a barred school.
Okay, so Russell, Malchia, Nefario, and Enzo appear next to Luigi. Russell carries the picture out to the middle of a field and casts Disjunction on it?
I will give everyone a chance to chime in on this plan, although Cloud and Montaron are back at the tower.
To Russell, Luigi, and Cloud (via shellphone): "Do you have any means of determining if something bad would happen if a spell is cast on this portal? I've seen some of the contingencies you all have on yourselves, so is there any chance a powerful magic item such as this would have a contingency on it to prevent it from being destroyed? I realize Disjunction is potent; much more powerful than my magic allows me to conjure at this point, but is it possible?
"Russell, have you seen anything through the annals of time that would indicate the significance of a portal from Cald to Habololy?"
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I'm a little late to this conversation, but if Montaron wishes to step through the teleportation circle with me, I can get him back without using extra spells. I can take 3 extra people with me using Greater Teleport. It's up to Montaron of course, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a healer with us if things go south.
Since he didn't explicitly say he wanted to go, we'll say for the sake of time he did not.
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Between Cloud's high Knowledge (Arcana) check and Luigi's Analyze Dwoemer, they know there is no additional spell cast on the painting protecting.
It would be highly unlikely that there is something built into the item that prevents such an act.
That leaves two potential bad circumstances, relating to Malchia's question.
1 - Someone could be alerted when it is destroyed (as per a deity and its artifact OR a spell cast on the someone that is set to go off when an event happens)
2 - The destruction of a permanent portal causes an explosion or other calamity.
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Can't we just stuff it in a bag of holding and be done with it?
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That could cause either a big explosion or a rift in spacetime. I am pretty sure. Let me know if I am wrong Adinjin.
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The odds of it causing something terrible like a rift or an explosion is very high.
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The odds of it causing something terrible like a rift or an explosion is very high.
The odds of destroying, or the odds of putting it in a bad of holding?
Honestly... if this is gonna blow up and the world is gonna end.. let me do it, cause then I get the exp for killing everything! WIN!
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The odds of it causing something terrible like a rift or an explosion is very high if you were to put it in a bag of holding.
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I'm a little late to this conversation, but if Montaron wishes to step through the teleportation circle with me, I can get him back without using extra spells. I can take 3 extra people with me using Greater Teleport. It's up to Montaron of course, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a healer with us if things go south.
Only the wizards three can activate the circle.
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To Russell, Luigi, and Cloud (via shellphone): "Do you have any means of determining if something bad would happen if a spell is cast on this portal? I've seen some of the contingencies you all have on yourselves, so is there any chance a powerful magic item such as this would have a contingency on it to prevent it from being destroyed? I realize Disjunction is potent; much more powerful than my magic allows me to conjure at this point, but is it possible?
"Russell, have you seen anything through the annals of time that would indicate the significance of a portal from Cald to Habololy?"
"In response to your first question, I could cast a rudimentary divination spell and probably get a fairly accurate answer and chronomancy could show me all the possibilities but I simply choose not to look. As for your second question : I doesn't work like that."
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The odds of it causing something terrible like a rift or an explosion is very high if you were to put it in a bag of holding.
"If you want me to TK it into a bag from maximum distance I will do that, but I'm not using my bag."
If Luigi does not want me to Disjunction it I limited wish teleport back to Messada and get a hot toddy.
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Only the wizards three can activate the circle.
Yes, but I figured we all went together at the time you stepped through to meet with Luigi. I was just trying to offer up that suggestion before we started role playing the rest of the scenarios and disrupt the space-time continuum.
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As for your second question : It doesn't work like that."
(Insert fist shaking here)
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If Luigi does not want me to Disjunction it I limited wish teleport back to Messada and get a hot toddy.
Limited Wish allows you to cast Teleport, but the range of Teleport is only 100 miles per level, not enough to get you to Messada.
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Limited Wish allows you to cast Teleport, but the range of Teleport is only 100 miles per level, not enough to get you to Messada.
I can take Russell with me and Nefario.
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I am Ok either destroying it or waiting and seeing if we can use it to our advantage as Luigi suggested. However, what ever we decide to do I think it is best that you find out as much information as you can about it Russell.
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I am Ok either destroying it or waiting and seeing if we can use it to our advantage as Luigi suggested. However, what ever we decide to do I think it is best that you find out as much information as you can about it Russell.
yes yes, get your scarf out and do you time lord thing to this russel.
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Cloud brings the shell phone and heads over to the cleric of Falan ( I forget her name) and shows her the staff (not his staff the staff so no jokes ;p)
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Cloud brings the shell phone and heads over to the cleric of Falan ( I forget her name) and shows her the staff (not his staff the staff so no jokes ;p)
That will take you a few minutes, and it is likely she is teaching a class at the moment.
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If I have a way back you can teleport me there. As long as I am not stuck there. Who knows what might come out of that thing.
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If I have a way back you can teleport me there. As long as I am not stuck there. Who knows what might come out of that thing.
I've known some DMs that might take advantage of a situation like this. "Put your soul to east Monteron, I have a greater teleport ready."
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I've known some DMs that might take advantage of a situation like this. "Put your soul to east Monteron, I have a greater teleport ready."
Then bring me there. We should be together and prepared. I have a bad feeling about all of this.
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Limited Wish allows you to cast Teleport, but the range of Teleport is only 100 miles per level, not enough to get you to Messada.
Oh bother. A curse on whatever caused the change in schools. How far from the painting to Port Springs?
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Port Springs is about 3000 miles away, give or take a few hundred.
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So Cloud is the only one back at the tower.
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Port Springs is about 3000 miles away, give or take a few hundred.
Really.. is it that for.. i should have payed more attention in Geography...
I guess our only option other then destroy is to start the walk to port springs, laying traps and protection ever night on the trip home. Unless someone knows of a spalljammer ship we can borrow. Can anyone things of another option?
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Port Springs is at the western most tip of the String Mountains on the southern coast. You are currently near the eastern end of the String Mountains, 800 or so miles north of where they stop.
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Port Springs is at the western most tip of the String Mountains on the southern coast. You are currently near the eastern end of the String Mountains, 800 or so miles north of where they stop.
Is there a closer city where we can hire a ship?
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No one here or listening knows the lay out of the area. Enzo is the most knowledgeable, and he guesses you are at least 1000 miles from a coast; with no idea where the closest port with a ship capable of that trip is.
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Can we not dispel it to suppress it long enough to teleport it?
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We'll just have to hope we have enough Greater Teleports among us all to get back.
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Port Springs is at the western most tip of the String Mountains on the southern coast. You are currently near the eastern end of the String Mountains, 800 or so miles north of where they stop.
Not to overly complicate things but if we're that far north wouldn't the distance to Messada be much shorter over the pole?
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Yes, but still more than you can cover in your teleport; and the land travel across the polar cap is far more difficult than south and finding a port.
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"Russell, I fail to see the problem. Luigi says he has a Greater Teleport prepared and I can cast it too. By my estimation, Luigi can take 6 with him and I can take 3 with me in addition to Nefario. That should be more than enough to get all members of the group out of danger if need be. The real issue is how to properly dispose of this portal."
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Yes, malchia is right. Let's figure out what we are doing with the paint first before we start dragging it somewhere.
I personally am leaning to destroying but would be open others other suggestions. I don't think it is worth bating them with it because somebody who is powerful enough to create this item will probably know if something is wrong with it.
I guess this would be knowledge arcana but I am curious to know how ,agin works between the different planets of Habololy. Can you teleport from planet to planet or scry a different planet etc.
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Those are excellent questions.
Even in your day, magical transport to Cald was not possible except by extraordinary means.
Transport to the other worlds was possible by lesser means, but still not easy. Basic teleport would have never sufficed. No one was ever able to teleport to the moon, and that goes for your time up until now, way it is common knowledge that no one get magically transport to the moon.
With that being the case, no one believes you can magically go any farther than the moon.
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Those are excellent questions.
Even in your day, magical transport to Cald was not possible except by extraordinary means.
Transport to the other worlds was possible by lesser means, but still not easy. Basic teleport would have never sufficed. No one was ever able to teleport to the moon, and that goes for your time up until now, way it is common knowledge that no one get magically transport to the moon.
With that being the case, no one believes you can magically go any farther than the moon.
Does anyone know if Cald has a similar atmosphere, gravitational pull, or water and produce similar to Habololy? If we go there, we may end up dead before we hit the surface of the planet.
Also, I'm not a religious Nipit myself, but many of you are faithful to one Deity or another. Do the deities answer prayers on other planets?
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I am pretty sure the whole planet is just like the great northern waste except for some areas around the equator.
If we decide to destroy it, Russell are you able to open a gate? That might be our best bet to destroy it by sending it to a lava pit in the elemental plane of fire.
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Does anyone know if Cald has a similar atmosphere, gravitational pull, or water and produce similar to Habololy? If we go there, we may end up dead before we hit the surface of the planet.
Also, I'm not a religious Nipit myself, but many of you are faithful to one Deity or another. Do the deities answer prayers on other planets?
I traveled for awhile with a man named K'Shen, a Cald native who had come to Habololy to disrupt the cultist invasion. He managed to breath fine, and he ate, drank, and slept just like the rest of us. I presume it would work the other way around if we went there.
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Does anyone know if Cald has a similar atmosphere, gravitational pull, or water and produce similar to Habololy? If we go there, we may end up dead before we hit the surface of the planet.
Also, I'm not a religious Nipit myself, but many of you are faithful to one Deity or another. Do the deities answer prayers on other planets?
There is no circumstance under which I am going to Cald. The powers hold sway over their worlds and a few hold sway over many worlds.
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If we decide to destroy it, Russell are you able to open a gate?
Gate is Conjuration, so no.
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Forgot to mention that my new giant friends told me that Bereth was waiting for reinforcements from Cald to renew his attack on Roflander. They expected to wait years. Going there would certainly be analogous to walking in the troll's den.
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To those new giant friends, they are still milling about collecting everything from the tents before they leave.
They notice your return, but do not approach.
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There is no circumstance under which I am going to Cald. The powers hold sway over their worlds and a few hold sway over many worlds.
I agree with Russell there are no circumstance in which I am going to Cald either.
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A not often used rule, that everyone would nonetheless know:
A unattended magic item’s Fortitude, Reflex, and Will save bonuses are equal to 2 + one-half its caster level.
You know from the spells that the caster level is 20+, so the save of the painting is at least +12.
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Have we confirmed that this is not an artifact? I'm not risking my spell casting ability on a disjunction.
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You have confirmed that via Luigi's Analyze Dwoemer spell.
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You have confirmed that via Luigi's Analyze Dwoemer spell.
Ok, then I await a consensus on what to do.
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Okay, everyone vote:
Disjunction It: Russel, Cloud
Not to Disjunction: Luigi
others?
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Okay, everyone vote:
Disjunction It: Russel, Cloud
Not to Disjunction: Luigi
others?
Can Enzo ask his charmed giants if they know who has the other portal or if there are more than just two? That may influence our decision.
If not, I say Disjunction it.
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I assume that Enzo agrees. They don't know about the portal other than it exists. They are not from Cald.
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I assume that Enzo agrees. They don't know about the portal other than it exists. They are not from Cald.
I'd like to ask if they've seen where prisoners items were kept after being taken and sent to the pits, in particular, Quentin's items (boots and pendant).
Do I feel the pull of Quentin's ring when I'm near the portal?
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They say that Bereth took everything and handed out some items to the allies to appease them. That is as far as they know, but none of them were close to Bereth.
You are not pulled towards the portal.
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Does it strike anyone else as weird that they would have an item, so important to their cause out here in a poorly protected camp? Wouldn't something like this, especially if they planned to wait years be in some stronghold? Do we have any other information on these agents from cald.. do they have a stronghold? If not this was a poorly planned invasion.
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I think if we destroyed it we would be passing up some great opportunities. I am against destroying it at least for now.
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Does it strike anyone else as weird that they would have an item, so important to their cause out here in a poorly protected camp? Wouldn't something like this, especially if they planned to wait years be in some stronghold?
Just some back drop that Enzo knows and was passed on in parts so far:
This camp last year was the base for thousands of Chosen, Barbarians, and giants who were laying siege to Dramman and had control over dozens of barbarian towns.
At one time, from this camp they controlled thousands of square miles of land.
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Just some back drop that Enzo knows and was passed on in parts so far:
This camp last year was the base for thousands of Chosen, Barbarians, and giants who were laying siege to Dramman and had control over dozens of barbarian towns.
At one time, from this camp they controlled thousands of square miles of land.
Ok.. ok.. so lets talk about this more rationally.. If we wanna keep it and lay a trap, we need a way of controlling it. Meaning not allowing it to open in the middle of the night and spew forth undead, slaadi, or deamons of cold. I know we can stick this in a anti-magic zone, but that might prevent them from scrying it, and falling into the trap. (this is outside of the scrying range on the picture) So.. does anyone one have good ideas? I mean, I can put a contingency up, and if the gate opens cast an anti-magic zone on it. But that'a really not a long term solution for me. Any ideas?
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By this time, Daane has made his way up to Cloud and is beginning to be brought up to speed.
Note that Enzo is listening, but has no opinion on whether it should or should not be disjunctioned.
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I know we can stick this in a anti-magic zone, but that might prevent them from scrying it.
No might, it will prevent it.
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Meaning not allowing it to open in the middle of the night and spew forth undead, slaadi, or deamons of cold.
Between your knowledge and your spell, you are sure that it only goes to Cald. Of course, those creature could be on Cald waiting.
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Once again, due to your spell and your Arcane knowledge (between all of you); you believe that the item can only be used by someone who has a specific type of knowledge (religion, planar, or such) AND is either of worshiper of a specific deity or has access to a specific domain.
You do not know which side it can be opened from, or possible from either.
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This is now the most posted topic since we started the new boards. Is someone really close to next level?
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So why not trade it to the Collector. He likely can't use it anyway. He wont know that until after the fact anyway. He will just see a shiny toy and run with it. Then if stuff comes out on him that is just icing on the cake.
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So why not trade it to the Collector. He likely can't use it anyway. He wont know that until after the fact anyway. He will just see a shiny toy and run with it. Then if stuff comes out on him that is just icing on the cake.
Russel just looks as Montaron as if he has lost his mind.
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Russel just looks as Montaron as if he has lost his mind.
We should at least think about it before we destroy it. I think we should think more about Luigi's suggestion at least.
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So why not trade it to the Collector. He likely can't use it anyway. He wont know that until after the fact anyway. He will just see a shiny toy and run with it. Then if stuff comes out on him that is just icing on the cake.
The only issue i see is the following, he's likely to realize it's worth to that side, and trade it to them for something shinier and something he can use. They would probably happily give up something nice for this. No,... I believe it's a trap for their impending doom, or destroying it. No other option.
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Is there a way to tell the last time it was activated? Can detect magic determine this?
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Is there a way to tell the last time it was activated? Can detect magic determine this?
Yes, between your spells and knowledge you believe the last time it was used (although you don't know which direction) was 6-9 months ago.
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Yes, between your spells and knowledge you believe the last time it was used (although you don't know which direction) was 6-9 months ago.
So... if they expected to wait a year, then we have 3-4 months before the army shows. To sum up
... Gate to Cald, can only be opened by a cleric of frostian, non-artifact, no extra-dimentional spaces, no teleport
Maybe here is a chance they won't look for it until the army is supposed to show. Sounds like a perfect trap conditions
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The only issue i see is the following, he's likely to realize it's worth to that side, and trade it to them for something shinier and something he can use. They would probably happily give up something nice for this. No,... I believe it's a trap for their impending doom, or destroying it. No other option.
I will have no part in giving anything to the Collector.
As for setting a trap my concern is that it is very likely we will be in the midst of some other problem when they return and if we cannot make our way here they will have the picture once again.
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I will have no part in giving anything to the Collector.
As for setting a trap my concern is that it is very likely we will be in the midst of some other problem when they return and if we cannot make our way here they will have the picture once again.
Eh... i say we bring it to the tower. The College is already ruined.
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Disjunction!
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It occurs to me that Daane is not being filled in, as Cloud is not in the tower and Daane would not have found him yet.
So it seems right now that Malchia, Cloud, and Russel are in favor of Disjunction; Luigi and Montaron are not, and Enzo doesn't care either way. Feel free to keep discussing.
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I am definitely open to the idea of a trap being set using the gate but I can't think of how to do this.
I see to major problems with using it as a trap.
1. We would have to some way keep constant watch over the portal and have a way of being alerted when someone was activating it.
2. I don't think we have a practical way to move the portal without carrying it ourselves. I don't see a way to get it back to the college.
If anyone can solve both of these problems them I am all for a trap but for now I say disjunction it.
That all being said I don't want to spend too much more time make this decision because we are low on spells right now and vulnerable to attack.
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I am definitely open to the idea of a trap being set using the gate but I can't think of how to do this.
I see to major problems with using it as a trap.
1. We would have to some way keep constant watch over the portal and have a way of being alerted when someone was activating it.
2. I don't think we have a practical way to move the portal without carrying it ourselves. I don't see a way to get it back to the college.
If anyone can solve both of these problems them I am all for a trap but for now I say disjunction it.
That all being said I don't want to spend too much more time make this decision because we are low on spells right now and vulnerable to attack.
I am not low on spells, but I have no means of escape if we are ambushed here.
Between chronomancy and divination I can likely predict with a fair degree of accuracy when, if, our enemy would seek to reclaim the item. I cannot guarantee what we will be doing at that time however.
As I cannot easily move myself I have no way of moving the painting.
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I am not low on spells, but I have no means of escape if we are ambushed here.
Between chronomancy and divination I can likely predict with a fair degree of accuracy when, if, our enemy would seek to reclaim the item. I cannot guarantee what we will be doing at that time however.
As I cannot easily move myself I have no way of moving the painting.
I guess the real problem what we'll be doing when they come for it. Do you think russel with your collective spells and knowledge you'll be able to give us a month or season when they'll come for it?
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"Russell, I'm pretty sure if you successfully Disjunction it, you'll attract the attention of its creator. Perhaps with the right combination of timing, we could both destroy it and set a trap. Do your powers of Chronomancy allow you to foresee when someone or something might come through this again? If so, you could Disjunction it at the moment they seek entrance through the portal. Maybe with a little luck, we could destroy the portal while they are traveling through it; hopefully taking them out along with it."
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"Russell, I'm pretty sure if you successfully Disjunction it, you'll attract the attention of its creator. Perhaps with the right combination of timing, we could both destroy it and set a trap. Do your powers of Chronomancy allow you to foresee when someone or something might come through this again? If so, you could Disjunction it at the moment they seek entrance through the portal. Maybe with a little luck, we could destroy the portal while they are traveling through it; hopefully taking them out along with it."
Assuming our enemy is not a power or has a severed lifeline I should be able to predict any activity involving this item with great accuracy. That gives no guarantee of success in destroying the portal. Furthermore, interdimensional travel is essentially instantaneous so if I cast the disjunction while it was in use the travelers would merely be shunted to one side or another. I think you are thinking of this as an extra-dimensional space.
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Assuming our enemy is not a power or has a severed lifeline I should be able to predict any activity involving this item with great accuracy. That gives no guarantee of success in destroying the portal. Furthermore, interdimensional travel is essentially instantaneous so if I cast the disjunction while it was in use the travelers would merely be shunted to one side or another. I think you are thinking of this as an extra-dimensional space.
Would you be able to create an extra-dimensional space large enough to trap them once they cross the portal? What I mean is have an illusion up so when they cross through, they walk right into an extra-dimensional space. Once inside, we destroy it.
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Would you be able to create an extra-dimensional space large enough to trap them once they cross the portal? What I mean is have an illusion up so when they cross through, they walk right into an extra-dimensional space. Once inside, we destroy it.
~if only you knew of someone who was really good at illusions who had nothing to do for the next several months...who could manually transport/watch/etc...the portal....~
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OOC: Just a thought but if in the session we might have time to spend the money we got from the last adventure. It might be worth knowing what we are going to buy so we can have more time doing the more important things for the adventure.
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At some point Cloud says to Malchia: "You have probably put this together already but just in case you didn't your items were likely destroyed either by the disjuntion followed by the sonic fireball or just from the sonic fireball itself. Not the artifact items your are searching for but you normal magic items.
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Would you be able to create an extra-dimensional space large enough to trap them once they cross the portal? What I mean is have an illusion up so when they cross through, they walk right into an extra-dimensional space. Once inside, we destroy it.
(It's impossible for Russel to hide the fact that he is trying not to be condescending)
Extradimensional spaces are typically bags of holding and portable holes and not useful for trapping giants, or really anything larger than a pixie. Spells which create an extradimensional space, such as a rope trick, can only be entered voluntarily, which means they are almost equally useless. We could try to set up a Gate immediately adjacent to the portal so that those passing from Cald immediately passed to another plane, however there are problems with this plan as well.
First, we have no reason to think whoever comes to activate the portal will come through the portal. I would expect them to already be here and thus we could find ourselves in a position of having to defeat them before they could open the portal and thus have wasted all the time until then.
Second, assuming they do come from the otherside, our enemies are in the nature of a military and therefore they will most likely send a reconnisance first. We will then be forced to choose between destroying that element and loosing our chance to strike at the leaders; or waiting for the main force and risk finding ourselves overmatched. Luigi and I recently participated in a true large scale battle and I for one have no illusions about our ability to defeat a sizeable force of giants.
My vote remains be done with it now if we can, either by disjunction or Gate.
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I wish I could award bonus points for mentioning the pixie in the bag of holding. "The pixie stays in the bag. The pixie cleans the caber!" Hahahahahaha!
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I am definitely open to the idea of a trap being set using the gate but I can't think of how to do this.
I see to major problems with using it as a trap.
1. We would have to some way keep constant watch over the portal and have a way of being alerted when someone was activating it.
2. I don't think we have a practical way to move the portal without carrying it ourselves. I don't see a way to get it back to the college.
If anyone can solve both of these problems them I am all for a trap but for now I say disjunction it.
That all being said I don't want to spend too much more time make this decision because we are low on spells right now and vulnerable to attack.
Can one of you wizards cast a power dispel on it, suppressing its magic temporarily. Then we can use magic to teleport it.
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I think that would work. I make a knowledge arcana check +26 to see if I see any problems with that plan.
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You think that could work. It would definitely work for less powerful magic items, and the theory is sound.
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That may also send up red flags in the same way just straight up destroying it would.
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That may also send up red flags in the same way just straight up destroying it would.
I'm thinking there is already a red flag, we killed their general.
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Yeah, I agree they already know we are here, which is part of the reason I think a trap won't work. However, if it is as simple as dispelling it and then bringing it back to our anti-magic room then lets do that That way we will have more time to figure out what we want to do with the portal. Then can focus on the rest of our plan and how we are to recover the items Malchia is seeking along with finding out more about the people from home who are familiar with the wizards three.
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Yeah, I agree they already know we are here, which is part of the reason I think a trap won't work. However, if it is as simple as dispelling it and then bringing it back to our anti-magic room then lets do that That way we will have more time to figure out what we want to do with the portal. Then can focus on the rest of our plan and how we are to recover the items Malchia is seeking along with finding out more about the people from home who are familiar with the wizards three.
Is it agrees that we are going to try this? This is what we should do. I have a greater dispel ready. I can attempt to dispel it, and use a normal teleport to go from here, to the otherside of camp with the picture. If that works, i'll then use my only Greater Teleport to bring it back to the tower. The reason for this extra step is because I only have a single greater teleport left.
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Sounds good.
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Is it agrees that we are going to try this? This is what we should do. I have a greater dispel ready. I can attempt to dispel it, and use a normal teleport to go from here, to the otherside of camp with the picture. If that works, i'll then use my only Greater Teleport to bring it back to the tower. The reason for this extra step is because I only have a single greater teleport left.
Will probably need something stronger like a chain dispel. Maybe Luigi has one?
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Will probably need something stronger like a chain dispel. Maybe Luigi has one?
I don't have one prepared no, I have a greater dispel ready. I could cast a chain dispel in an hour. I still have detect magic up, i'll know if the dispel works.
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I don't have one prepared no, I have a greater dispel ready. I could cast a chain dispel in an hour. I still have detect magic up, i'll know if the dispel works.
I think you'll need to have a chain dispel to have a shot at it.
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We should not plan on keeping the item in the tower for very long. If we lose control of it in Icefia and the country gets invaded by an army from another world we will all be going to prison for a long time.
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Who is going to try and dispel it, with what spell? They appear to be the next questions.
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OOC: Just a thought but if in the session we might have time to spend the money we got from the last adventure. It might be worth knowing what we are going to buy so we can have more time doing the more important things for the adventure.
That's a good point. How much do we get divided among us all?
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At some point Cloud says to Malchia: "You have probably put this together already but just in case you didn't your items were likely destroyed either by the disjuntion followed by the sonic fireball or just from the sonic fireball itself. Not the artifact items your are searching for but you normal magic items.
Chances are my possessions were likely given away and not destroyed in the blast, although the thought did occur to me. I will be able to reclaim the artifacts over time as I am constantly drawn to them. I had some things hidden within my boots that I'd like back. Hopefully, they're still there. The rest of my things I'll just have to learn to live without unless our recent wealth can replace some of them.
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Yeah, I agree they already know we are here, which is part of the reason I think a trap won't work. However, if it is as simple as dispelling it and then bringing it back to our anti-magic room then lets do that That way we will have more time to figure out what we want to do with the portal. Then can focus on the rest of our plan and how we are to recover the items Malchia is seeking along with finding out more about the people from home who are familiar with the wizards three.
I agree that we need to head back "Home" soon.
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We should not plan on keeping the item in the tower for very long. If we lose control of it in Icefia and the country gets invaded by an army from another world we will all be going to prison for a long time.
I don't think it's a good idea to have this in your tower at all, let alone for a short while. It may prove to be more dangerous then we think. Russell, you may want to check further in time to see if this is a good idea. If not that, then Cloud, maybe you could consult the stars for advice.
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That's a good point. How much do we get divided among us all?
I think you are putting the cart before the horse here by looking to spend the coin. You are still in the middle of a dangerous situation with no way of knowing if everyone will survive. You don't know how long it will take you to get the stuff appraised or how much it will appraise for; and you don't know exactly what the crystal ball and potions do.
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I think you are putting the cart before the horse here by looking to spend the coin. You are still in the middle of a dangerous situation with no way of knowing if everyone will survive. You don't know how long it will take you to get the stuff appraised or how much it will appraise for; and you don't know exactly what the crystal ball and potions do.
All good points. To further expand on the "horse" analogy, I reserve the right to beat a dead horse and reiterate my suggestion to Disjunction this thing. I say we be done with it here and now without putting anyone in jeopardy at the college or tower. If Disjunction fails, memorize another one and try again.
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I think you are putting the cart before the horse here by looking to spend the coin. You are still in the middle of a dangerous situation with no way of knowing if everyone will survive. You don't know how long it will take you to get the stuff appraised or how much it will appraise for; and you don't know exactly what the crystal ball and potions do.
I would like to slightly correct myself. Feel free to think about what your character wants and have it ready should you get the chance to buy, but don't use any of this board space since there is other stuff to discuss.
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Now that I think about it a little more I think it is too dangerous to bring it back to the college because what if the army decides to come through it when we are transporting to the anti-magic room. As Russell pointed out this is a terrible thing for the college especially right now with everything that is going on there. I vote disjunction and just be done with it.
The votes right now are Russell, Cloud, and Malchia disjunction.
Montaron & Luigi bring it back to the college and store it.
One person is abstaining.
To me it looks like the disjunction have it so lets get it over with.
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Now that I think about it a little more I think it is too dangerous to bring it back to the college because what if the army decides to come through it when we are transporting to the anti-magic room. As Russell pointed out this is a terrible thing for the college especially right now with everything that is going on there. I vote disjunction and just be done with it.
The votes right now are Russell, Cloud, and Malchia disjunction.
Montaron & Luigi bring it back to the college and store it.
One person is abstaining.
To me it looks like the disjunction have it so lets get it over with.
I cast the disjunction. DC 29
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Hooray for decisions! Lorenzo inconspicuously moves back 60 ft and covers his ears.
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Hooray for decisions! Lorenzo inconspicuously moves back 60 ft and covers his ears.
If my math is correct I'm 7 feet behind you.
I give everyone a minute to get to minimum safe distance (it's a 40' burst) before I cast.
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If my math is correct I'm 7 feet behind you.
I give everyone a minute to get to minimum safe distance (it's a 40' burst) before I cast.
I fly to double that distance on Nefario.
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A note and a point of specification.
If Luigi and Montaron don't want you to cast it, they can easily stop you by remaining next to the painting, since I doubt you are willing to disjunction them as well. You also need to get the painting far enough away from you, unless you want to hit the tent and everything in it.
Do you target the painting, or the area its in?
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A note and a point of specification.
If Luigi and Montaron don't want you to cast it, they can easily stop you by remaining next to the painting, since I doubt you are willing to disjunction them as well. You also need to get the painting far enough away from you, unless you want to hit the tent and everything in it.
Do you target the painting, or the area its in?
I believe several pages ago Russel moved the painting to the maximum distance possible with Telekenisis from the staff, which would probably be overkill at 1200'. So 400' from any valuables or magic items should be sufficient.
Obviously I'm not going to cast the disjunction if Luigi or Montaron are not going to cooperate.
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You did, and since no one else objects while you do it, it is at a safe 400 foot distance.
I will give Luigi and Montaron a day to continue debate or concede.
Also, to the other quesiton: do you target it, or the area its in?
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You did, and since no one else objects while you do it, it is at a safe 400 foot distance.
I will give Luigi and Montaron a day to continue debate or concede.
Also, to the other quesiton: do you target it, or the area its in?
I put it an area with nothing else so I guess I'd have to target the painting. Given my knowledge arcana and spell craft checks is there any reason it should matter?
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Looking at the spell, it does not target, so it doesn't matter. You just pick a center point of the spell, and as long as the painting is in the area, that's fine. If you had to target, then it would make a difference for some protections (such as spell turning).
It is a close range spell, so you have to be within 105 feet, and note it doesn't effect he caster.
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If it is dispelled then it wont function. If we put it in an AM field then it wont function. Unless you can think of something that would break this rule, I don't see a reason not to try and dispel it.
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How long does the suppression of magic from the dispel last?
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1d4 rounds
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OK then my answer is still no. The spell is too random and too short to have enough time to get it to the AM room. Especially since we can only teleport it to the circle.
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Do you think an army of creatures are waiting, at this moment to come through and get us? If that was the case they would have come through already and saved there general. Think this through.... We can store this thing forever in an anti-magic room without danger. Haven't you all every taken a risk, doubled down? Gone all in? If we destroy this now we sentence ourselves to hunting down these monsters for ever, a so called Bug Hunt.. i prefer a stand up fight. If we lay a trap, we can work on our umm... co-educational research while they come to us.
- Luigi won't get in the way of the Disjunction
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Do you think an army of creatures are waiting, at this moment to come through and get us? If that was the case they would have come through already and saved there general. Think this through.... We can store this thing forever in an anti-magic room without danger. Haven't you all every taken a risk, doubled down? Gone all in? If we destroy this now we sentence ourselves to hunting down these monsters for ever, a so called Bug Hunt.. i prefer a stand up fight. If we lay a trap, we can work on our umm... co-educational research while they come to us.
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I agree. Just need to dispel long enough to teleport. Then we can move it to the AM room. It hasn't been activated for a long time. The odds of it pouring out waves of invaders in that short amount of time is atrocious.
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Give me 5-10mins I am talking to acting Dean Haskra now. I will let you know what he says.
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Give me 5-10mins I am talking to acting Dean Haskra now. I will let you know what he says.
Dean Shmean... if his school hadn't enveloped our tower....
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Give me 5-10mins I am talking to acting Dean Haskra now. I will let you know what he says.
So, what did the Dean say?
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Does anyone doing anything in the 5-10 mins while I am talking to the Dean. If not I will post it in about an hour or so when I done getting the kids ready for bed.
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Dean Haskra(sp?) as acting dean of the college agreed we should disjunction the item because it is likely to be more trouble then it is worth and much easier just to destroy then to try and bring it back to the college. However, as devout cleric of smofarf and dean of the college of magic, he is very interested in such a powerful item and wants to study it. So he finally decide that he would prefer that we would bring it back to the college. After discussing it more we came up with a plan to keep get it and store it safely. The only problem is I need an hour to memorize a spell to dimensionally lock it once it arrives in the circle. The dean will also meet us at the circle in case any trouble arrives when it is teleported here. Between Russel being at full power and the dean, we should be able to defend any attack on it. Therefore you guys need to keep it safe for an hour while I ready my spell. Then you can dispel it and teleport it here. Hopefully that won't be a problem. Russell if you ever feel it is danger before that hour is up then feel free to disjunction it.
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(Dean Fulcren Granitebreaker is the acting dean, not Dean Haskra. He is the Dean of the school of magic so he's still the right person to consult)
Russel says: "So I get to stand here in the coldest place in the world for an hour?"
I make a bonfire, a big one, from the remains of the camp.
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If anyone has any plans for that hour, please post.
Cloud goes to prepare a spell. Daane gets word of what is happening and heads to the tower to wait, he takes the Shellphone to talk to Luigi in case there is a problem and Cloud is busy.
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So... are we allowed to use it as a trap when he's done?
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Who are you asking?
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Who are you asking?
OOC.. do i trust the dean of magic? Last person I trusted in a position of power turned out to be a madman.
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He is pretty trustworthy and he isn't keeping it. We are keeping it in our AM room. He is just helping us.
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The dean has always come across as trustworthy and smart. He is experienced and one of wisest at the college.
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The largest amount of posting xp ever for between sessions:
Cloud - 250
Owen - 5
Luigi - 175
Russell - 130
Malchia - 225
Montaron - 95
Enzo - 75