The New War Domain

[Windblade]

Shadow landscape would be absolutely perfect if it wasn't a shadow spell.  That being said, I still vote for it.

[Asinjin]

2-1 for Shadow Landscape

How about some other voters?

[Malchia]

Even though I originally suggested City's Might, I think I like Shadow Landscape better for the 8th level slot.  City's Might would make a great lower level spell but that would be up to the group to decide and the DM to approve.

[Asinjin]

1 Tactical Precision
2 Battle Hymn (SpC)
3 Stand Firm (tFoW)
4 Warcry (CA)
5 Drums of War (HoB)
6 Vigorous Circle
7 Righteous Wrath of the Faithful
8 Shadow Landscape
9 Tides of Battle (MoR)

How does that look?

We still need a granted power for this domain.

The last suggestion was a BAB increase.  Does everyone think that is strong enough?  With the very common Divine Power spell, would it be useful once the cleric got to that level of spell?

[Windblade]

I think the power wouldn't be that good once the cleric got divine power.  Also I think we have differentiate the war domain to focus less on the individual so I think we should come up with something other then a BAB increase.  Maybe they give moral bonuses to troops on the battlefield or keep them from feeling.

I just thought of this one as I was typing.  Maybe we can have a BAB increase but you can base it on the number of allies they have with them or the number of people fighting in their unit.   Then give them some other minor ability that is always active.  Maybe the ability to determine how powerful their opponent is.  They could look at their enemies leader and figure out class and approximate level. Anyway just some ideas I figured I would throw out their.

[whitesword]

Wars are ultimately won or lost by warriors so I think the power should be personal to the cleric. The courage and leadership abilities already cover inspiring and leading troops. Without going back through all the domain abilities I suspect there are more than a few that mimic and/or can be made unnecessary by a spell to which the cleric has access.

[Asinjin]

I don't think there are many at all that mimic a spell.

Looking at the list, so far I'd say five come close, out of 52.

[whitesword]

I didn't really mean mimic a spell, although I think there are more than five, rather an ability that a spell can make irrelevant.  Putting that aside how about Cleave and Great Cleave or Cleave and Combat Reflexes. 

[Windblade]

I like the cleave idea because it is individual power that works well in a war situation.   I think you need to write this one down because Whitesword and I actually agree on something 

[whitesword]

There have been plenty of other times we agreed.


Alright at least three.

[Valdis]

I like the Cleave idea will work

[Asinjin]

Granted Power: The cleric gains the Cleave feat, even if he does meet the prerequisites for the feat.  In addition, he may make a number of Cleave attacks per round equal to one plus one per four cleric levels.  If he gains the Combat Reflexes feat, he may take the better result of the number from this ability or the Combat Reflexes feat.

[Windblade]

That sounds good.

[Asinjin]

Unless anyone has any objections to spells or power, I will lock this tough one tomorrow.

[whitesword]

Granted Power: The cleric gains the Cleave feat, even if he does meet the prerequisites for the feat.  In addition, he may make a number of Cleave attacks per round equal to one plus one per four cleric levels.  If he gains the Combat Reflexes feat, he may take the better result of the number from this ability or the Combat Reflexes feat.

I'm a little confused by this. Why not just give them Great Cleave? Or would that be a devotee enhancement?