Magic Missile

[Asinjin]

Whitesword, Zunder, Terrorshard?

[Windblade]

I vote 3.

I honestly don't care if it is 2 or 3.   I think the vote is if we should change or not.  Then if we decide to change we could then vote on what the change would be.

[Asinjin]

I honestly don't care if it is 2 or 3.   I think the vote is if we should change or not.  Then if we decide to change we could then vote on what the change would be.

Currently at 2 to change and 3 to remain.

[whitesword]

I'm going to make an alternative suggestion: any meta magic feat that alters or add to the nature of the spell's damage type eliminates the no SR. So burning MM get SR but maximized, extended etc. still no SR. I would apply this across the board because SR is comparatively rare and pretty easily overcome.

[Terrorshard]

I'll go off the beaten path here and say I don't really like that MM bypasses SR at all.  So I'll vote for 2 or 3

[Windblade]

I'm going to make an alternative suggestion: any meta magic feat that alters or add to the nature of the spell's damage type eliminates the no SR. So burning MM get SR but maximized, extended etc. still no SR. I would apply this across the board because SR is comparatively rare and pretty easily overcome.

I really like Whiteswords suggestion and it appears he is voting for a change also.  I was thinking something along those lines also but didn't want to make the rule to complex.  However,  it would only be for magic missile so I don't think it would be too overwhelming.

[Asinjin]

We are currently at 4 to change and 3 to keep.  Zunder remains, and if it is a tie then I will have Master Po break the tie.

[Hero]

Just to be clear, are we voting on a change to magic missile or any spell that bypasses SR?

[Asinjin]

Just to be clear, are we voting on a change to magic missile or any spell that bypasses SR?

We are voting to make a change, if yes, then we can debate exactly how to change it.

[Zunder]

3

[Asinjin]

The vote to change has won, so now we must decide how to change the rule.

[Asinjin]

Here are the possible options for change:

1 - Magic Missile no longer ignores SR and follows the standard d20 rules

2 - Any meta magic feat that alters or add to the nature of the spell's damage type eliminates the no SR. So burning MM get SR but maximized, extended etc. still no SR. I would apply this across the board because SR is comparatively rare and pretty easily overcome.

3 - A spell that has one of the 'fancy' feats attached ignores SR, but the feat attached must overcome SR to apply

[Windblade]

I like 2

[Hero]

I vote #1

I think #2 or 3, if you go that way, should apply unilaterally across all metamagic feats. You are modifying the base spell regardless of what the final product is. It's also cleaner than trying to divvy up which feats this applies to. I also don't think SR is easy to overcome until high levels. For a 6th level caster, it sucks - as demonstrated by Drax's 0% success rate vs the deva.

[Asinjin]

I vote #1

I think #2 or 3, if you go that way, should apply unilaterally across all metamagic feats. You are modifying the base spell regardless of what the final product is. It's also cleaner than trying to divvy up which feats this applies to. I also don't think SR is easy to overcome until high levels. For a 6th level caster, it sucks - as demonstrated by Drax's 0% success rate vs the deva.

I disagree, I don't think divvying the feats out would be hard.

Also, I vote #2.